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Signs that Major Depressive Disorder May be Returning


Those who have been following this blog may have noticed that after a remission of 16 years, depression returned to my life in 2010. I have been diagnosed (from three health professional sources) as suffering from major depressive disorder. As of today, I am not out of the woods yet, but I am slowly improving. I am currently experiencing about one ‘bad’ week of depression for every three ‘good’ weeks. I would also like to thank everyone who has been praying for me.

In my next few posts I will focus on recurring depression, more commonly known as major depressive disorder, and also as recurrent depressive disorder, clinical depression. Major depressive disorder differs from other types of depression in that although the person may have periods of normality between depressive episodes, future depressive episodes will continue to come. The breaks of normality can be anywhere from weeks to years apart. (This is different from the good day/bad day cycle that depression sufferers experience during recovery.)


Many if not most people who suffer from a depression never go through it again - the depression is an isolated event triggered by very difficult circumstances, such as the passing away of a loved one. So it never occurred to me that I could succumb to depression again after recovering from a major episode in the mid 1990s.


I had also learnt many coping techniques to deal with anxiety and depression, and so believed that should severe anxiety or depression attempt to invade my life again, I would be able to nip it in the bud.


Therefore, when in 2010 I began to experience a number of symptoms similar to what I went through in 1989; I did not think them significant nor join the dots to see a bigger picture unfolding.


At the beginning of 2010 my family began attending a new church. Three months later I had a panic attack that we had made the wrong decision. For several days I tried to think objectively and convince myself that we had made the correct decision, but due to overwhelming anxiety, I felt we had to go back. I finally recognised that I needed to get someone else’s perspective, so I shared what I was thinking and feeling with my wife. She helped me to see the correct perspective, that we had done the right thing, and this helped me to dismiss my fears and the anxious thoughts faded away. However, the next day, from morning until mid afternoon, I could feel waves of fearful adrenalin rippling through my body, something I had not experienced for nearly twenty years.


A few weeks later, for minor reasons that felt significant at the time, I suddenly deleted my ‘writing’ blog, where I had written short stories, flash fiction, and poems. Although I had greatly enjoyed making that blog, I lost all interest in it.


Around this time my wife said that I was looking exhausted and weighed down. She suggested that I cut down on my out of work commitments, so I took her advice and cancelled some of my social and church activities.


By April I lost my appetite. Each night I would half my dinner and then push the plate away. In June I noticed that my daughter had stopped teasing me for putting a bit of weight on my midriff, so I went and weighed myself. I had dropped from 70kg to 64kg. This was alarming, so from that day I forced myself to each my whole dinner every night, and added a small meal before bedtime every day.


I also found myself becoming envious of a couple we knew who were in the process of retiring. The thought of retiring was so attractive, so appealing. Why did I, in my mid forties, so desperately want to retire? It was because I was becoming more and more exhausted, mentally, physically and emotionally, as the year went on.


Finally, in July I had a nightmare in which I was afflicted by the fearful ‘topic’ that had terrorised me when I had been depressed in the 1990s. Although it had been largely dealt with by counselling, here it was again.


All of these signs had preceded my previous major depressive episode, yet unfortunately, I failed to join the dots in order to realise what was around the corner - another major depressive episode.


If we have been diagnosed as having major depressive disorder
- What Can We Do?
1. Keep a list in our diary of common signs that have preceded our major depression episodes, so that we can recognise when a new episode is imminent. And then, if those signs reappear, there are a few things we can do that may reduce the severity and duration of the episode.

a. do not fear its return (this will only make it worse)

b. exercise at least three times a week

c. get at least 8 hours sleep a night

d. make sure we are not doing too many activities

e. revise our depression managing strategies, eg, read “Self Help for Your Nerves” again.

f. if currently taking anti-depressants, visit the doctor to discuss the possibility of increasing the daily dosage.


There is one thing I would like to stress about major depressive disorder/recurring depression - we must not fear its return. To fear its return can actually facilitate or hasten its return. Instead, we are to obey Jesus teachings to trust God and live each day as it comes, not fearing the future. Matthew 6:33-34 “But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.”  


And if there are more depressive episodes waiting in our future, there is still no reason to fear them, for Jesus will be there, reading to take us by the hand and lead us through them when those times come. Isaiah 41:13 “For I am the LORD, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you.”      


When I look at my future through a perspective distorted by depression, I see a bleak, dark, oppressive future full of pain and suffering. But lately I have looking at my future from the perspective that Jesus is there in my future and will comfort me with His love and presence. And what a different, wonderful perspective that is! Genesis 28:15 “I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go,”


Important Note:

The things that I have mentioned in this article are notthe signs or symptoms of depression, but merely a list of indicators common to myself that the return of depression was imminent. To see a list of symptoms that can accompany depression, please see this article :
Symptoms of Depression and How it Causes Them

If you have major depressive disorder/recurring depression, what common indicators have you noticed in your own life that precede the return of each major depressive episode?
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Learning Not to Fear our Own Thoughts

I called my mind a ‘mindfield’ while suffering from depression, since so many unwanted, appalling thoughts would pop without warning into my mind and ‘BOOM’ - the thought, its implications, and my ensuing reaction would tear me apart, just as if I had stepped upon a landmine. These appalling thoughts, which often triggered panic attacks, came to terrorise me to the extent that I tried to ‘tip-toe’ around in my mind, sometimes scared to think anything at all.

From my diary, 1/4/93 –
I think of my mind as a never ending minefield
I walk along inside my mind, forgetting not to yield
to those fearful thoughts and doubts that cling like dust.
I take a mental step and plant my foot right on a mine,
and boom!
There blows another one.
At first I look at the mine and ponder,
Before I realise that it's just another doubt
and send it yonder.
"Just let it go," I tell myself.
"Don't give in to the fear, don't let it influence you."
And I remove it with a mental shear.
It is such a struggle at times.
Most have to watch where they walk,
But I have to watch where I think.



Here is an example of an alarming/appalling thought, also known as an obsessive fearful thought.

A strong Christian told me recently that a thought popped into her mind while she was praying, saying, “Satan is lord.” Her response was to freak out. Where did the thought come from? Did it come from her? If it did come from her, did that mean she really believed it? And if that was the case, there must be something seriously wrong with her!

Although such a thought could pop into anyone’s mind, a person with a healthy mind would dismiss the thought as utter nonsense, and pay it no heed. However, for someone with a sensitive mind or a mind that is over sensitized or exhausted by depression, such a thought can cause a shock the first time it occurs.

When similar alarming/appalling thoughts began to afflict me in my early twenties, (I had already suffered one mild depressive episode,) I reacted in the same way. I was greatly alarmed to find such thoughts flying through my mind and feared some part of me actually believed them. On each occasion I began a fearful, introspective examination of my heart and mind, digging deeper and deeper. “But what if I do believe this thought, what does it mean about me?” The more I examined the thought, the more I feared that I actually believed it or was guilty of what it was accusing. After these frantic sessions of fearful soul searching came repentance as I desperately asked God to forgive me for having the thought or attitude in the first place.

Not only did I fear these alarming/appalling thoughts; I lived in fear that more might come. And of course, more did come. Fearing them made me more sensitive to them, which of course made them occur more frequently. Panic attacks became more and more commonplace as well.

Now let us pop back to the discussion I had with the young woman who encountered one of these thoughts during her prayer time. Understandably, she was bewildered, afraid, feared where the thought came from, and scared that perhaps she did believe part of it.

I said to her, “All sorts of thoughts fly through our minds every day - some of these are whispered into our mind by Satan, while others are simply things we are afraid of. It does not matter where these fearful thoughts come from. All we need to know is that they are not from us and they are not what we believe - they are simply something we are afraid of. Now, answer me this, what do you believe about Satan?”

She answered that she believed he was a fallen angel, the devil, and that Jesus had defeated him through His work on the cross.

I said, “Now compare what you have just told me, which is not only what you believe, but what you know you believe, with the first fearful thought that popped into your mind.”

Her face lit up with comprehension and relief.

The result was black and white. The first thought, “Satan is lord,” was suddenly shown up for what it was - a lie, a deception. It was not something this young woman believed, it was only something she feared she might believe.

Suddenly, the fearful thought had no power as the truth of God’s word revealed it to be a lie. I encouraged her not to fear such thoughts, and if they happened again, to do as below:

1. Do not be afraid if an alarming/appalling thought pops into our mind.
2. Do not worry where the thought came from, whether from the enemy, or something we fear, it is not significant.
3. STOP, and ask our self, what do we believe or know about that topic? (Base our answer upon God’s Word if possible.)
4. COMPARE the original alarming/appalling thought with what we know we believe, and then keep the liberating truth in mind.
5. Then move on and let time pass, leaving the episode behind. (Do not be concerned if the fear lingers for a while, remember the truth of what we believe, and the thought will soon fade away.)

The young woman was no longer worried but comforted and relieved. She also knew how to deal with any such thoughts that came at her in the future. I assured her, “Soon you will be able to dismiss such thoughts by simply thinking at them, ‘Oh, you’re one of those thoughts are you? Bye-bye!’ And eventually, you won’t even need to do that.”

The truth is that these thoughts are not actually something we are afraid we might do or believe - because we would never do or believe such things. The truth is that we are afraid of the thoughts themselves.

I remember the release I received upon learning I had been tricked into being afraid of my own (or the enemy's) thoughts. It was so comforting to know that I no longer needed to dig feverishly through my heart and mind searching for attitudes or beliefs that were not even there in the first place. I am indebted to the Lord for setting me free from that trap.

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32

So let us rely upon the truths of God’s word to set us free from fearful thoughts as we remind ourselves of what we know we believe.

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5

(A small postscript, due to very severe depression or mental illness, there are situations where people not only have bad thoughts but actually desire or attempt to carry them out. In these cases, they need to seek professional help immediately, such as from a doctor or Christian therapist.)

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    Depression, the Invisible Disease

    One of the hardest things about depression is that it is not readily evident when someone is afflicted by it. Depression sufferers also tend to hide what they are going through from others, one reason being that many do not understand how it affects us.

    For example, in my early days of suffering from severe depression, when everything seemed bleak and hopeless, I went to see our family doctor to get a repeat prescription for anti-depressants. (The doctor who had initially treated me had left.)

    He gave me the prescription, but his attitude was very condescending. He pointed out that his previous appointment was with a family with two mentally challenged children. He said that this family had real problems and then left the sentence hanging – his unspoken point was that there was comparatively nothing wrong with me.

    The fact is that depression is real and one of the most crippling illnesses that can afflict us. That it cannot be observed by others only makes it harder to bare. Whenever I saw someone with a visible injury, disease or handicap, I often wished I could switch places with them so that others could see what was wrong with me.

    I penned these thoughts into my diary, as below:

    15th Sept 1990 –
    The Invisible Handicap
    I have a handicap - but no one can see it.
    I am not like someone who is crippled, whose handicap everyone can see.
    I am not like my friend, who was born with his fingers deformed.
    But like them, I do have a major handicap.
    My nervous system is over-sensitive, and has been so all my life.
    For the past nine months, it has developed a nervous habit,
    Of over manufacturing fear related adrenalin,
    Causing physical and emotional side effects.
    But no one knows, no one can see it - only the couple of people I have told.
    Sometimes I wish I had a visible handicap, and then people would know –
    Know what I feel like and what I'm suffering from.

    I have managed to pinpoint the main area of conflict,
    That manages to cause so many problems in me.
    The conflict lies between what I think I can do,
    And what I really can do.
    Because I have a capable and analytical mind,
    Which can visualize me doing many things,
    Yet only now I have finally learnt,
    That my emotional system is mega-sensitive –
    Over-sensitive, in fact.
    It bruises and bleeds so easily, and affects me in so many ways.
    I never realised that all "these" things that happen to me,
    Have all been caused by this one thing.
    I did not realise anything was wrong, and kept going.
    The other problem is my lack of physical energy,
    My mind never considers it when pondering what to do.


    Note that since recovering from depression, my nervous system, though still sensitive, is no longer hypersensitive as it used to be. In the process of recovering from depression I learned coping techniques that helped me to overcome anxiety before it took a deep hold of me. I learnt to rely upon Christ and His strength instead of fighting and fearing what I was going through. John 14:1 became the theme verse of my life. “Let not your heart be troubled, trust in God, trust also in Me.”

    Prayer and Biblical counseling also set me free from past traumas that had previously tripped me up time and again.

    The above diary entry also shows when I finally learnt the difference between what I thought I could do, and what I could do. Since that time, I have been careful to pace myself.

    In closing, although many do not understand depression and how it afflicts us, I praise our loving Heavenly Father for giving us a High Priest who can sympathise with us and comfort us in such difficult times.

    Hebrews 4:14-16 ‘Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.’
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    Optical Illusions: Eyes/ Brain/ Mind

    Optical illusions occur as a result of perception. Essentially, visual perception involves a three step process. 1) The eyes see 2)The information received is relayed to the brain 3)The mind reasons it all out.

    Sometimes, though, what we see isn't what's really there. Below are three static, non-moving pictures from Mighty Optical Illusions. Take a look at how they "move" and "float" despite being fixed objects. This is a great lesson in learning how perception is not always an accurate experience. Gives new meaning to "seeing is believing", doesn't it?

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    Facing Distressing Symptoms instead of Dreading Them

    Depression, along with chronic illnesses and disabilities, can afflict us with disturbing symptoms so distressing that we believe we cannot possibly live with them. Here is my story on how I learnt to cope with one such distressing symptom.

    When I was in my late thirties, the deep rumbling sound in my ears that had began in my late teens, had become rather severe. I was suffering from tinnitus, a condition that produces noises in the ears that are not caused by external sounds. (I have otosclerosis, an inherited disease that causes the calcification of the bones of the middle ear.) Along with the deep rumbling I could also ‘hear’ a loud waterfall, a birdcage full of screeching budgerigars, hissing white noise, and an endless deep monotone humming.

    Things came to a head one night in the latter part of 2003, at 3.00am in the morning. A new tinnitus sound, which had initially come and gone intermittently, was threatening to become a permanent fixture. It sounded like someone pushing a very, very heavy wooden desk across a rough timber floor, and buzzed with an irregular rhythm with a one or two second gap between each buzz.

    It was so loud and unsettling that I lay in bed for hours, dreading each subsequent buzz, hoping and praying that it would stop and go away, as it had each time during the past week.

    I used every argument in the book in the prayers I lifted heavenward. “I can’t live like this, Lord! Haven’t I suffered enough, do I have to have this too? Please Lord, make it stop! The rest of the ear noises are bad enough but this one is unbearable!”

    Receiving no discernable response from God, I staggered to the kitchen, hoping to find something to help me sleep, yet by the time I got there, I was consumed by rage at the injustice of this situation. I could not live with a deafeningly loud buzzing sound tearing apart my concentration and setting my nerves on edge, destroying my sleep and ability to relax.

    Yet as I looked out the kitchen window into the darkness, I recalled that this was not the first time I had been afflicted with unwanted disturbing symptoms that I believed I could not live with.

    Years earlier, I had been afflicted by dozens of unwanted mental, physical, emotional and spiritual symptoms while suffering from severe depression. Desperate to escape those symptoms, I had reacted by fighting or fearing them, which not only made those symptoms worse but also caused new ones to appear.

    The most distressing symptom of depression for me was the lack of peace, where I felt disturbed and ill at ease all the time. I thought that if I could regain that inner peace I would be able to cope with life again.

    From my diary, 7th July ’90 -
    I just wish this sensation of being disturbed all the time would go away.
    And know it will never come back.
    I am not coping, and I know that.
    I keep saying, "If I had inner peace, then I would cope."


    Other symptoms I believed I could not cope with included:

    From my diary, 20th July ’90 -
    Sometimes my shoulder muscles ache to abandon,
    the aching pain in my jaw drives me crazy.
    My face and arms get a burning, prickling sensation.
    My stomach feels trapped, as though it needs to burst,
    my chest feels like it’s going to explode.
    And as there are physical problems, so there are emotional ones.
    They vary from a feeling that something big and dark will consume me,
    to endless mental churnings that only makes me worse.



    And now back to 2003. There I was at 3.00am in the morning, reacting to this new tinnitus noise in the same way as I had reacted to depression’s symptoms - trying to flee from or fight it.

    So waiting on Jesus, I cast my mind back to remember how I had dealt with depression’s symptoms. Dr Claire Weekes book, “Self Help for Your Nerves,” had taught me to face the disturbing, unwanted symptoms caused by anxiety. She wrote, ‘I have no doubt that you are tensely shrinking from the feelings within you and yet, are ready to “listen in” in apprehension?...Now examine and do not shrink from the sensations that have been upsetting you. I want you to examine each carefully, to analyse and describe it to yourself...Do not tensely flinch from it. Go with it. Relax and analyse it…Now that you have faced and examined it, is it so terrible?’ (1)

    So I took those same techniques and applied them to my current situation. Instead of dreading the disturbing new tinnitus noise and listening to it apprehensively, I faced it. Yes, it was bad, and I most certainly did not want it, but as I stood there listening to it, was it really so unbearable? Was it so bad that I could not think, function, or live?

    No! Although bad, I could still think, function and live. I recognised that the worst aspect of this situation was my reaction to it – fearing and fighting it and convincing myself that I could not live with it. So I acknowledged there was nothing I could do to make the tinnitus go away and I accepted it instead of fighting and fearing it. I even thanked God for allowing this trial to come my way and asked Him to use it for good. After all, God is in control and there was no need for my heart to be troubled.

    Instead of saying, “I can’t live like this!” I decided that I would learn to live with it and let it buzz, roar, and rumble away as though background music to my day. Instead of fearfully dreading the arrival of each new BUZZ, I let them come. If I had to live like this for the rest of my life, then so be it. Paul said that he had learned to be content whatever his circumstances, and by Christ’s strength, I would follow his example.

    Comforted by God’s peace, I climbed back into bed, and although the hideous sound continued to buzz in my head, I was soon asleep.

    And the good news is that by responding to depression’s symptoms in this way - by facing, accepting, learning to live with them as though background music to our day, and letting time pass, it breaks the fear-adrenalin-fear cycle, causing those symptoms to gradually reduce in severity and frequency, until they fade away completely. (More detail on this in the next article.)

    ‘I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.’ Philippians 4:12-13

    p.s. - By God’s grace, an operation in 2005 that restored about 70% mid-range hearing to my left ear also reduced the tinnitus to about half what it was – that horrific buzzing sound is gone.

    (1) ‘Self Help for Your Nerves,’ Doctor Claire Weekes, Angus & Robertston Publishers, 1989, p21.

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    Inception - A Film About The Subconscious





    Inception is the cinematic blockbuster from writer/director Christopher Nolan about the power of dream states. I've been waiting a long time to see this finished project, having read about it years ago.

    Essentially, the movie is a psychological thriller about the intricacies of the psyche, especially the Alpha state of the subconscious mind. Dreams are validated as real experiences, holding secrets, meaning and power if we can bring them into awareness.

    The movie's star, Leonardo DiCaprio, said he prepared for the role by reading Sigmund Freud's "Interpretation of Dreams". Oh, Leo, you could've called me to help you. I would've let you borrow my Interpretation of Dreams collector edition. . . maybe do a session or two on the couch.

    Brain Wave States
    There are four brain wave states that take our mind to different places. First is Beta wave, where we are awake, alert and oriented to all things. Our mind is active and in a conscious state.

    The second is Alpha wave, where we are relaxed, perhaps daydreaming, cat napping, meditating or enjoying a blissful calm. We are not asleep, but we are barely there. Our minds dimly register what's currently going on - and have greater access to subconscious thoughts.



    The third is Theta wave, where we become drowsy and fall into light sleep.

    Deep sleep is Delta Wave, where we are out for the count. The movement between Delta and Theta waves is the zone where we dream, and where REM sleep can be measured.

    If you want to develop your mind to access subconscious thoughts, sharpen your Alpha waves by meditating, daydreaming or taking a cat nap and see where things take you.







    Note: Thanks to Xmichra for reminding me that Alpha waves, which spur subconscious thoughts, can also cause triggers.





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    15 Tips for Mental Fitness


    1. Learn to Relax
    Allow yourself to let go of inner tensions by giving yourself a “mini vacation.” Give your mind a break by becoming engrossed in a good book, watching a movie, listening to music, taking a walk, working on a hobby, meditating or similar activity that is relaxing for you.

    2. Be Kind To Yourself
    People are frequently too hard on themselves when things don’t go right. Tune into your self talk, and counteract your negative thoughts about yourself with positive statements.

    3. Eat Properly
    Nutrition has a direct impact on feeling mentally positive. Limit your intake of sugar, fat, salt, caffeine and alcohol and help yourself stay mentally fit.

    4. Find A Friend
    Friendships are very important to mental fitness. Working on developing and maintaining friendships is one of the best ways to continue growing as a person. Expressing feelings and ideas to another person can help us clarify what’s truly important to ourselves.

    5. Learn to Say “No”
    Often people feel the need to respond immediately when a friend or family member make a request. Help yourself set limits by avoiding the quick “knee jerk” response in the affirmative. Instead, let them know you will get back to them shortly. Then do a check of your schedule; ask yourself if you really want to add to your load. Give yourself permission to say “No” when you are too busy to take on additional commitments of your time or energy.

    6. Exercise
    Check with your doctor about what level is best for you. Even a brisk 15-minute walk, three times a week does wonders for how you think and feel.

    7. Do It Now
    Procrastination can lead to negative feelings about yourself. One doesn’t have to go to extremes, but it can feel very satisfying at the end of the day to have accomplished a hard task or met a difficult situation head-on.

    8. Adapt To Rather Than Resist Change
    Change is inevitable and is a necessary part of life. The important thing is to be patient with yourself when you are going through change, and to give yourself time to go through the phases of transition. Realize it takes time to let go of the old and embrace the new.

    9. Test Your Assumptions
    Sometimes in our interactions with other people, we make the most incredible assumptions and act as if they are true. Rather than assuming, it might be worth the risk to ask directly what was meant.

    10. Express Your Feelings
    Emotions are a natural response to life. It is important to find ways to express your feelings. Journaling your thoughts is one way that can help you clarify what you are feeling. Once you have identified your feelings, you may find it easier to share them with others.

    11. Grieve Losses
    Sadness and grief are natural and appropriate responses to the losses which we all experience. Grief over the loss of a love one can be very painful and may last for some time. By being kind and allowing ourselves the time to grieve, we have the potential to be stronger than ever

    12. Rest
    Get a good night’s sleep. Not everyone needs the same amount of sleep, but it should be restful sleep. There are many techniques available to help promote relaxation; or, you might want to check with your doctor rather than assuming your restless sleep is simply something you have to live with.

    13. Review Your “Shoulds”
    If you feel stuck by some things you “Should” be doing and aren’t, set a time limit by which you will either have them done or get rid of them. Staying stuck in the middle is a good way to punish yourself and cause mental anguish and stress.

    14. Have A Laugh
    Nurture your sense of humor, especially about yourself. Trying to see the humorous side of things makes even the most difficult situations easier to bear. Laughter is good medicine. Being too serious limits your ability to enjoy life.

    15. Ask For Help
    If you need emotional support or just someone to talk to, don’t be afraid to ask for it. There are times in life when everyone must look outside themselves for comfort and advice. If friends can do the job, ask them to help. If not, be assured that professional help is available through your employee assistance program.

    I'd say I do about 13 of the 15.
    How do you do with these?

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